The rib cage is the best (quickest) way to determine if Neanderthal was more closely related to apes, humans, or had found a very cozy middle ground.  An examination of human and Neanderthal genomes and adaptations regarding pathogens or parasites may shed further light on this issue. The species lived in Africa with early humans … It cannot be as simple as “dangerous ideas are hard to stomach” because we even heard about more controversial claims by the prominent Richard Wrangham in his “Demonic Males.” I am afraid what my question entails. The argument you criticize is many times more convincing than yours. Not to mention the fact that no, no study has ever found what you’re claiming. I was quite excited to hear our party guest talk to us about Neanderthals. And bases his creature on the Gorilla,which has black skin and hair, and you cry racism. Neanderthals were notably less hairy than Homo sapiens, contrary to popular lore. Why WOULDN’T reconstructionists believe that a human-like skull would mean the specimen looks more like a human? 80,000 years ago, Neanderthals were feeding themselves regularly on fish and other marine life. The Neanderthals did not quietly fade into extinction because they were less adapted than modern humans. It’s a real book. Their muscles do seem to have been bigger than ours. Why is this so hard to understand? However, the muscles are where the NPT jumps the shark, and it’s all down hill from here. Now, many white peoples who allow their Neanderthal nature to run wild prompting the amgedala MAOA warriors Gene to influence their behavior become violent warmonger and serial killers, which they would find eating their victims as a natural habit. He’s a television producer with none other than the itent of making money from a book. Some authors have discussed the possibility that Neanderthal extinction was either precipitated or hastened by violent conflict with Homo sapiens. The tests were developed originally to identify students who were having problems in certain parts of their education so they could be helped, and were later used to screen people immigrating to the States, where the idea picked up a moral value that it was never intended to have. The Basque people also have a folk tale of the Basajaun, a creature that lived in the caves of the Pyrenees mountains. They had huge faces, large protruding noses, big eyes and thick, straight hair. Chimps are not “much smaller” than humans. I can only assume that the NPT theory is just a proxy argument for the race replacement colonialism happening today and you liberal screwjobs are wetting your pants over it. They are hugely muscled. It’s a thin line to walk; but I think I’m not popular enough for it to be serious issue. It’s the inferior contaminating the superior. I personally still call them “Archaic Homo sapiens” indicating that they were not a separate species but a separate “race” that retained some primitive anatomical traits.  Recent studies also show that a few Neanderthals began mating with ancestors of modern humans long before the large "out of Africa migration" of the present day non-Africans, as early as 100,000 years ago. I am sure of it, and they were stronger. The most common source of novel human pathogens (like HIV1 today) would have been our closest phylogenetic relatives, namely, other primates, of which there were many in Africa but only one known species in Europe, the Barbary Macaque, and only a few species in Southern Asia. Danny does raise a good point about Neanderthal eyes: they’re soft tissue, so don’t preserve. Neanderthals (the ‘th’ pronounced as ‘t’) are our closest extinct human relative. Neanderthals were part of the genus Homo they were a type of human sub species just like homo erectus what you mean to say is they were not Homo sapien etc 12. The “principle of charity” allows any quacking goon to make any claim they want, so long as it’s ‘rational’. It is therefore plausible to suggest that violence, including primitive warfare, would have transpired between the two human species. Google “Hairless Chimps”. Predatory land mammals are … I hope you use do not link when linking to such nonsense. What remains unclear is … As a result of this, whilst apes are smart enough to make stone tools they’re really bad at it. Stop talking out of your ass. Try this on for size after you change you diapers. We don’t need Neanderthals to drive human evolution…. Studying this tells us plenty about what Neanderthals ate, but it also opens up chinks of light onto other things. You are fucking retarded! It means you are a GMO genetically engineered laboratory experiment gone wrong subhuman or subspecies hybrid. Huge amounts of guilt and finger-pointing -in the best puritan tradition- to earn status points and rise in the hierarchy of the ingroup. It's actually lower than we thought. Tools such as Mousterian flint stone flakes and Levallois points are remarkably sophisticated from the outset, yet they have a slow rate of variability and general technological inertia is noticeable during the entire fossil period. The devastating effect of Eurasian pathogens on Native American populations in the historical era gives us some idea of the effect that modern humans may have had on the precursor populations of hominins in Eurasia 40,000 years ago. The actual appearance of Neanderthals was not like that of a gorilla but they probably didn’t look like what most of us would consider modern human. Surveys find creationism common in America, but Pew Research reveals that this all depends on the question is asked. I personally find using anthroplogy to support hate offensive. Racism!? Measure the ridges that the muscles attached to, measure the bone thickness, and density, compare these to human measurements, The difference, percentage wise… should give a ballpark figure as to their actual strength. We have a similar anatomy, so researchers traditionally thought there must have been differences in the way Neanderthals and humans … Fossil remains reveal the predators lived side-by-side with our ancestors. Modern humans were present in Europe at least 46,000 years ago, according to new research on objects found in Bulgaria, meaning they overlapped with Neanderthals … Ohhh my…how liberal can you get? I have 3 pet snakes whom are all predator in nature. The other issue with having as much muscle as Danny claims is the sheer amount of energy needed to sustain it. Yoruba and San probands). Archaic sub species that interbred and survived can most likely be traced back to a form of homo erectus. Granted, I didn’t read the source paper, so maybe I’m failing to consider something. Feel free to disagree, that is fine, opinions are funny things… they are valid for each of us. Dogs were used by humans to gain a competitive edge in hunting that led to the extinction of Neanderthals on the continent 40,000 years ago, Professor Pat Shipman of … By using the landscape to funnel prey towards bottlenecks, they were then able to ambush and kill. Around 50,000 years ago modern humans arrived in Europe. Ants have a very intelligent and highly complex social order that includes wars, enslavement, hierarchy government systems, bury their dead and communicate like independent interdependent networks. Actually he made a lot of sense. NEXT NEWS By Akshit Sangomla Published: Tuesday 13 February 2018 . Similar methods have been applied to Neanderthals, revealing you’re right. And we certainly know that it was on the base of the Neanderthal skull, angled straight down. You people see racism everywhere you look. “Dwarves” may be a folk memory of Neanderthals, even if “orcs” are not. Thus his choice to change their appearance smacks of either bad science and/or prejudice. NOT ONCE IN THE MANY YEARS OF ME HAVING PREDATOR PETS I HAVE SEEN ANY OF THEM DEVELOPING SEXUAL ATTRACTION TO THEIR PREY OR FOOD ITEM. "The idea that humans hunted Neanderthals to extinction as part of the megafaunal extinction is new," said Stewart. – Arabs – Carthaginians – Huns/mongols – Moors – Ottomans – Persians 8. They just look that way because of their posture. My excitement over Vendramini turned from curiosity to fear/offense/ambivalence after our guest in response to my expressing my understanding of homo neanderthalensis (introducing him to homo denisovan in the process) started to say that the book proposes a dangerous idea that some people cannot stomach. This wacky idea was pointed out to me on EvoAnth’s Facebook page (which I’m now legally obligated to tell you to go like) but was originally concocted by Danny Vendramini and detailed in his book: Them + Us. Artifacts are of utilitarian nature, and symbolic behavioral traits are undocumented before the arrival of modern humans in Europe around 40,000 to 35,000 years ago. But, ok, I consider modern humans are also super-predators. Researchers believe Neanderthals overlapped with modern humans geographically for a period of more than 30,000 years after humans migrated out of Africa and before Neanderthals … There are terrible people from all races 9. But Neanderthals didn't change. Once much of Eurasia was dominated by Neanderthals, our archaic human ancestors. If Neanderthals ate plants, it tells scientists that they must have had similar digestive systems to modern humans. Modern humans have other MCR1 variants that are also less active, resulting in red hair and pale skin. Hypotheses on the fate of the Neanderthals include violence from encroaching anatomically modern humans, parasites and pathogens, competitive replacement, competitive exclusion, extinction by interbreeding with early modern human populations, natural catastrophes, and failure or inability to adapt to climate change. Their key ape-y traits include: Also, if you look at Danny’s artwork they apparently also snarl all the time. And we don’t know what that actually looked like. They call black peoples apes yet blacks don’t have ape-Neanderthal DNA but white peoples do. And the culture that breeds itself OUT loses. It’s the proverbial “unstoppable force meeting an (almost) immovable object”: on the one hand, the instinctual realization that your prospects are deeply dark. We know this about their hair because one of the genes that we picked up from Neanderthals affects keratin production and the effects can be seen in Eurasians, especially east Asians, who have the thickest hair. Obviously, this SJW triggering is occuring because certainly, a conquest is EXACTLY what is happening today. Fossils found on the archaeological site of Schöningen in Germany Did You Know? Modern humans, homo sapien sapiens, cohabited the Earth with several other human species at one point in time. Apes including chimpanzees come in a variety of skin tones including dark black/brown.  The hypothesis that early humans violently replaced Neanderthals was first proposed by French paleontologist Marcellin Boule (the first person to publish an analysis of a Neanderthal) in 1912.. 13. Some white peoples are still being born with tails like an ape, the pop singer ke$hia openly admitted her functioning tail was cut off at birth to hide this fact and regularly occurrence among white European RECESSIVES. What did Neanderthals eat? No modern human has 10% Neanderthal DNA, it ranges from 1-3% at max. So things are starting to seem ridiculous and it isn’t looking good for the NPT. “smaller brains that Caucasians”. 10. The reduced sunlight during the winter forces many species to evolve larger eyes. Only black Africans types have kinky cosmo spiral swirling hair. Lubenow helpfully summarizes the evidence: 1. Neanderthals may have waged desperate battles for survival against giant sabre-toothed cats, according to new research. Not according to Longrich. Well if you go read his site; you’ll find out that the fact we find them scary is evidence they hunted is. That’s really what you whackjobs are implying isn’t it? And you’re basing this 50% on what? Now we know why. Facts are facts. So many of our monstrous villains still represent them. Right? These vicious neanderthals hunted humans almost to extinction (and raped human women, to add insult to injury); reducing our population to a scared tribe of just 50. My thinking is….the sluts traded a whole lot of USELESS females for tools and tech and other help. With knowledgeable people mostly ignoring it, the idea could continue to slowly build momentum. If nothing else, population growth inevitably forces humans to acquire more land, to ensure sufficient territory to hunt and forage food for their children. But, regretfully, I was harsh for a reason: his intention was none other than to make money through cheap means, at the price of people’s education being fed pseudo-researched false information; of course they’ll give him a positive review for his radically off-beat neat ideas, even without knowing where his facts truly came from. Apparently, this was the very flaw in evidence-finding which Danny was using against human-appearance reconstructionism in the first place. , Extinction of Neanderthals around 40,000 years ago, Anatomical differences and running ability, Modern humans' advantage in hunting warm climate animals, Interbreeding took place in western Asia between about 65,000 and 47,000 years ago, see. Neanderthals went through a demographic crisis in Western Europe that seems to coincide with climate change that resulted in a period of extreme cold in Western Europe. On the other hand, the same mechanism could work in reverse, and the resistance of Homo sapiens to Neanderthal pathogens and parasites would need explanation. How does having ape ancestry offend you, or make you cry racism? What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. While his final Neanderthal recreation is ridiculous, Vendramini does raise valid points about some of the unrealistic reconstructions that we see of Neanderthals. I guess it can only become worse as the factual situation of europoids degrades more and more in the next decades. It’s people like you that keep racism alive and going, by seeing it everywhere you look. A Neanderthal and human skull. Note the protuding bones where the nose should be. One of the most commonly known of these other humans is the Neanderthal, Homo neanderthalensis, which went extinct around 40,000 years ago.Modern humans and Neanderthals share common ancestors but one didn't evolve from the other, though it's generally believed that Neanderthals … The key is searching for the interconnections between different kinds of data. 6. all races of people show in group bias and i would actually argue that Native Europeans are some of the most welcoming. Humans have the same setup, whilst the non-nosed apes don’t. Modern humans clearly changed something about the way they were hunting, and it was something crucial. Much like the eyes, noses are soft tissue so we don’t really know what they looked like. Apes, if I remember correctly, do not bury their dead, or memorialize their dead… etc. Did Neanderthals and sabre-toothed wage battles? , Other researchers, like Yoel Rak, from Tel-Aviv University in Israel, have noted that the fossil records show that Neanderthal pelvises in comparison to modern human pelvises would have made it much harder for Neanderthals to absorb shocks and to bounce off from one step to the next, giving modern humans another advantage over Neanderthals in running and walking ability. Right?? The Neanderthal genome project published papers in 2010 and 2014 stating that Neanderthals contributed to the DNA of modern humans, including most humans outside sub-Saharan Africa, as well as a few populations in sub-Saharan Africa, through interbreeding, likely between 50,000 and 60,000 years ago. Can any of you pseudo-humans explain to me how European Neanderthals getting wiped out by “Human” Africans is white nationalism? The book did make a fair splash when it was first released, leading to many people promptly refuting it. I think that may have been the mistake, as the issue was then considered “settled” and ignored. But I digress: my original commentary was going to try to point out that, wrong as it is, this theory got something right (in my opinion): Neanderthals were super-predators. And, what better way to do that than to present a “thought-provoking” scientific idea, no matter what claptrappishly balderdash rubbish nonsense baloney caca-chahoola it is? I would find this totally hilarious except that I also think it is racist — hulking big black savages raping our women etc. Not only do I not take any part of his Sci-fi “Planet of the Apemen” movie fantasy for a book seriously (the style in which he arrives to his scientific conclusions seem more akin to the work of a t. v. producer, which he is.  Rabbit became more frequent, while large mammals – mainly eaten by the Neanderthals – became increasingly rare. Well, spoilers for the rest of this post: it is absurd. I came to the same conclusion from looking at negro skulls. 3. Some reconstructions give them thin, small noses and small mouths even though we know they had much larger noses and way bigger jaws.The truth is: they were similar to but also very different from homo sapiens. (Please treat ALL-CAP WORDS as italics; since we don’t have the italics and bold feature for these comments.). Most of the details are hidden in the book; and I’m not planning to buy it since its so patently absurd, An extract of the first three chapters of the book are available as a pdf from the site, plus you can find links to an additional two chapters and a full faux-scientific paper describing “NP theory” at: http://www.themandus.org/old_website/extracts.html, Aha! Central Africans have absolutely no neanderthal DNA. It’s hard to say how much bigger, given the rest of the muscle has rotted away; but estimates based on what we do have indicate you’ve exaggerated their strength a bit. Apes, after all, have all of these. It’s not beastiality if the two parties are animals. Anthropological theory and findings are often relegated to the Ivory tower, and I lament the fact that work in the humanities and social sciences fails to affect street-level bureaucracy and reach the ground floor. Be real, dude. Many of the traits shared by humans and Neanderthals are shown in DNA, but there may also be behavioral similarities that we can study when exploring ancient remains. Especially ones that have less fur. But if it does, then what does that signify?  Neanderthals would have limited immunity to diseases they had not been exposed to, so diseases carried into Europe by Homo sapiens could have been particularly lethal to them if Homo sapiens were relatively resistant. As the author would argue, the similarity to Orcs isn’t accidental. Our guest was a economics major turned software developer who chanced upon paleoanthropology for the first time. I’m not sure there’s really much to add here. That is shown in hair texture. Continuing along the “they were more ape-like” line of reasoning, Danny suggests they had a much more ape-like posture, with the head being more anteriorily (aka forwardly) positioned. These models considered technological and cultural innovation as the reason humans survived and Neanderthals did not. Neanderthals were a separate species that had hundreds of thousands of years of divergence from homo sapiens. Even I haven’t really returned to it since these posts. As such, the best (and likely most hilarious) aspects of the NPT are hidden on dead trees somewhere. Neanderthals were MORE advanced, MORE generous and MORE peaceful than the greedy “Human” Africans. I may admittedly be a little weird though, . This longer tail may be why it keeps cropping up, even after all these years. During the Ice Age, it seems Neanderthals tended to chow down on whatever was most readily available. We are the Humvees, and they are the tanks. Third, the differences between Neanderthals and Moderns were relatively small with many intermediate fossil forms. , Generally small and widely-dispersed fossil sites suggest that Neanderthals lived in less numerous and socially more isolated groups than contemporary Homo sapiens. The question of whether Neanderthals and modern humans bred might be resolved within a decade by scientists studying DNA samples from Neanderthal and Cro-Magnon fossils. Neanderthals were once the closest living relatives of modern humans, ranging across a vast area from Europe to western Asia and the Middle East. Neanderthals could make efficient weapons like humans. al., 2016) indicates that the hybrid children were less fertile, as the prevalence of … Meanwhile, there was evidence of Homo sapiens hunting birds in Europe for most of their prehistory there 2.  The neanderthal? But since the climate was harsher, the Neanderthals wisely kept their numbers low and advanced their minds and technology to keep alive. Except in this case it certainly is NOT the superior culture eliminating the inferior. They would have looked much different than any current human population. This idea that competition with Neanderthals drove [European] cultural evolution also smacks of racism, and doesn’t seem to hold up. Or are you just stupid? Led by John Fa of the Durrell Wildlife Conservation Trust in Jersey, scientists compared the amount of various prey remains in Spanish and French … Except that Neanderthal DNA indicates they had less body hair than Homo sapiens. After all, all it’s done so far is re-interpret soft tissue.  Trinkaus claims various fossils as hybrid individuals, including the "child of Lagar Velho", a skeleton found at Lagar Velho in Portugal. I have had spiders and lizard as pets and they were predator driven animals. . "The fact that Neanderthals in Western Europe were nearly extinct, but then recovered long before they came into contact with modern humans came as a complete surprise to us," said Love Dalén, associate professor at the Swedish Museum of Natural History in Stockholm. “The mutation changes an amino acid, making the resulting protein less efficient. It’s not certain though, which is another reason why scientists are so eager to study the links between the species even more. The latter group may also have been edged out when humans started domesticating dogs and using them for hunting – leaving limited food behind.  Studies of sediment layers at Mezmaiskaya Cave suggest a severe reduction of plant pollen. If you ran into a Neanderthal type human alone on a dark street, I would bet the farm that most of us would find ourselves on the other side of the street very quickly… I would also guess that their reaction times, or reflexes, were much quicker than ours are. 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