@zr2011: 70% voted Maul before this new fight. Ahsoka hasn’t had a duel in canon from TCW until her fight with the inquisitors, and any other idea would just be your headcanon, Maul doesn’t have a single feat close to Vader. Ahsoka did get tired quicker, you're right there. He did disarm her at the beginning of the fight as well and had multiple opportunities to kill her on the beams. I don’t feel like responding in detail because we went in circles for quite a while. Strength:Maul- easily overpowered TCW ahsoka in saberlocks, and pressed her in Rebels, Endurance:Maul, outlasted TCW Ahsoka and has a very high pain tolerance, Saber skill:Maul narrowly, superior to TCW Ahsoka, equals with TCW kenobi, Force power: Maul has shown better force feats and skill, H2H: Ahsoka has more feats, Maul has better statements. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Being “rusty” does effect people in combat, but it’s not enough to say they are no longer comparable, Rebels Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul >|= Rebels Maul >|= TCW Ahsoka, Maul was too stupid to cut the bar they were on and beat her for good, he also got caught like an idiot. Ahsoka could have performed the Maul feat, and she performed a more impressive feat (lasting a minute against Vader). Her h2h is good, but if they were not on a narrow beam where the slightest push sends you over the edge I doubt that would have even phased Maul. Ahsoka gave Maul a pointed look. I am mostly happy with the scaling you provided of: "Rebels Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul >|= Rebels Maul >|= TCW Ahsoka.". @the_buddha_: @maul_eternal: @firelordiroh: I knew this would happen. That is not to say they perfectly stalemate eachother, but that each can get wins against the other in a relatively even ratio. This tells me that his heart wasn't in the fight and he was preoccupied. His performance against Sidious speaks for itself. Motivation: Both fighters are blood-lusted and serious; neither underestimate their opponent. He's inferior in speed and mobility at the very least. The fact that she talked and shut off her lightsabers to use telekinesis isn't an indication that she's not going all out. With the most choreography? "So you only did what you did because you wanted a shot at the Inquisitors," guessed Kanan. The worst excuse I’ve seen thus far is “Maul only lost due to environment”... ugh he’s the one who INTENTIONALLY gave himself that position So he would have the high ground. Feats aren't end all be all. If Maul knew about Order 66 he would have know about the attack on Coruscant but he didn't. @the_buddha_: Yes he’s less effective in combat due to that statement. Logical scaling puts Ahsoka's older much MUCH stronger counterpart above him. You do realise that TCW Maul has 2 accolades indicating that he's in Vader's ballpark, right? @ezra_: @maul_eternal: @emmafrostxmen: I'm glad we all came to a general agreement with that scaling (Rebels Ahsoka=CW S5 Maul>/= Rebels Maul>/=TCW Ahsoka) . Maul being out of practise isn't something to trivialise. Rebels Ahsoka is more skilled and powerful than season 7 Ahsoka. Motivation: Both fighters are blood-lusted and serious; neither underestimate their opponent. @the_buddha_: @ezra_: @emmafrostxmen: Martin's tweets are not binding anyways, he has repeatedly said so himself. As we can see she was able to regain her guard even after being disarmed and was able to use her agility to evade a Killmode Maul and disarm him. Rebels Ahsoka stomping 2 inquisitors is good, but based on what was she "not trying" eh? It’s beyond me why people think that the skill with the saber is the only element to fights in Star Wars. Star Wars: The Clone Wars marketing continues to hype up the one-on-one duel between Ahsoka and Darth Maul, but even before the show makes its return, we already know who emerges as the winner in the fight. Even if there was no ledge for Maul to be BFR'd Ahsoka would have wrecked Maul in hand to hand since he too lost his lightsaber. That was also Ahsoka’s first canon lightsaber duel since TCW Maul duel so they are both technically rusty in combat (despite it being stated that Ahsoka improved). If she didn't cut the ledge he would have still fallen to the ground. And how can she be rusty if she has improved from TCW? All Inquisitors and their masters are my enemies." People have just been doing saber scaling ABC tbh or at least the majority have. @zr2011: I personally think the disarming was a result of her stamina being drained and her stats suffering as a result. ANH kenobi>rebels maul. Statements about how a character would fair are never truly usable as a feat. Ahsoka breached Mauls Guard twice in the fight and came out on top. Maul obliterates if TCW and they’re all out. Ahsoka’s blades have only 1 hand on each blade. Whatever it is it's just the bad side of the SW's fanbase who won't be satisfied unless everything plays out their way. Adult Ahoksa is weaker than Old Man Maul, who as per word of god is inferior to his TCW self, yet we have a weaker Ahsoka contending and getting the upper hand over a stronger Maul. TCW Maul > Rebels Ahsoka >/= Rebels Maul > TCW Ahsoka. Ahsoka — a character created for “Clone Wars” — was the apprentice of Anakin Skywalker before he became Darth Vader. He was portrayed as superior. He ragdolled Maul and Savage multiple times throughout the fight. It’s not like they are perfectly matched. He loses due to dumb plot or environmental reasons. Rolling his shoulders back, Maul declared, "The Inquisitors are my enemies. Nothing has really changed. wtf man, you're using abc logic, i'll grant that you're an intelligent debater but this is all wrong! @yousufkhan1212: bro she was toying with them, she one shot the fifth brother with a simple kick, and she literally pretended to surrender. Darth Maul is more than ready to die in Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 7, which makes his death in Star Wars Rebels both more appropriate and tragic. Or indicates that Maul's decline was strictly in Rebels S3 while he was still prime in S2. @ezra_: I see your points about Maul's character. @lord_tenebrous isn't trying to say that sabers is the only thing that matters in a fight. It makes more sense then all of a sudden a half hearted Maul can disarm her multiple times where when he was more serious he couldn't and got kicked out a window. Force defenses are passive and I’d lick for you to find me a statement that says when exactly they “go down”. Ahsoka lasted a long time against a superior duelist with no emotional circumstance therefore allowing Ahsoka to scale above Obi slightly who is relatively on the level of Maul. In both instances, Maul had his opponent beat in a straight up duel. Rebels Maul is merely “out of practice” he’s not that much weaker, he’s just a little rusty so him lasting that long isn’t an anti feat for Tano, TCW Maul is about to be contended with by a massively weaker version of Ahsoka. Maul couldn’t rag doll her so he needed to rag doll someone else into her, it’s clear in the episode, As a matter of fact Ahsoka rag dolled Maul at the end of the fight when he explicitly “wanted to die”, Rex aimed his guns at him, he sensed it and took them both out with the force. Because I just finished watching the recent episode, TCW Maul is no longer as far above Rebels Ahsoka as I put him before the episode aired. Rebels ahsoka >rebels maul~TCW maul. So no Maul did...not...know...about...Order 66. Also the fight wasn’t over once disarmed. He disarmed her again twice on the beam and she was only able to win by redirecting his momentum and pushing him off balance. It is the fifty-seventh episode of the series overall. The Sith Lord had a convoluted story in Star Wars canon, which is full of successes followed by setbacks. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 2.1 Disney Abilities 2.2 Legends/EU Abilities 3 Disney Canon Respect Threads 4 Legends/EU Canon Respect Threads 5 Gallery 6 Others 7 References Darth Vader is a Dark Lord of the Sith and the apprentice of Emperor Palpatine, ruler of the Galactic Empire. The only thing that Maul knew that was galaxy changing was that Sidious was playing both sides in the Clone Wars. You are correct that we didn't see what happened during the off screen portions of the fight, but that doesn't mean that Maul was getting his ass kicked off screen. On comicvine if a duelist is disarmed and then beats the shit out of the opponent that disarmed them... they still lost. Ahsoka contending with Vader is good, but TCW Maul has a quote saying he's kind of in the Vader realm, and SW magazine says that he and Vader are well matched in fighting skills and that a fight between them would be a close call. One of the huge things that Rebels managed to do was link the series to the larger Star Wars franchise. Maul seemed somewhat unhinged in the latest episode as well but he's always been a bit crazy so it shouldn't be a factor. Maul offered to work together and then when they started fighting after she declined there is nothing to imply or especially prove he was holding back in hopes she would join him. Dude also said every feat of Ahsoka except the ones she's lost is PIS/Plot armor. @ezra_: I just rewatched the fight. How come Maul didn’t fight Vader? @emmafrostxmen: Prove Rebels Maul is weaker than TCW Maul. At them end of the duel Maul was actively trying to kill Ahsoka (attacking her when she didn’t have a lightsaber) and she outskilled him without her blade. > Beats Kill mode Maul while only trying to capture him. It really isn't better Sidious could've stomped Maul into the ground, but was enjoying the fight. I disagree. Ahsoka also has a superior feat via Vader which Maul doesn’t directly scale off of because their fight in rebels went unfinished. As soon as Maul begins to tell his own history, Ezra looks intrigued and sympathetic. Ahsoka Tano ( peak fighting condition) Motivation: Both fighters are blood-lusted and serious; neither underestimate their opponent. While both shows have Darth Maul, Star Wars Rebels benefits from other classic villains. Wouldn't you say though that Rebels Maul increased in force strength tho? Maul could ragdoll Obi wan consistently and managed to pin Palpatine to the wall in a deleted portion of their duel with the force, I see no reason Ashoka wouldn't be out of his ragdoll range. If anything Ahsoka was the one with the disadvantage. Maul loses because he got sloppy and lost his composure, had Maul played more carefully and tried to outlast her he may have won in most situations. They simply contended with one another for a while. In fact quite a bit of the on screen fight is shown to us, and the fight itself is inconclusive. Sidious forced Maul to breathe in the ashes of Sith warriors, slain when an ancient weapon was activated in the Sith temple on the planet. Only reason why she "won" was due to the battlefield and Maul's cockiness. This is probably true. While travelling with sisters from Level 1313 on Coruscant, Ahsoka is approached by Mandalorian Bo-Katan Kryze, who asks her to help the planet take back control from Darth Maul. Despite this, she is disarmed constantly (4 times if I'm correct) and Maul gets the better of her more often than she lands blows on him. She was disarmed three times and won cause of a beam that she could cut. rebels maul~TCW maul. The gist of my argument is Ahsoka was disarmed three times in normal conditions and could not have won without the beam/ledge, I’m literally the person that said that like yesterday and then everyone said his tweets are fact. B) When he was getting captured by Ahsoka and he wanted to die. Disarming someone is not the end of the fight especially if they get their weapon back. His whole plan was to kill the Apprentice of Sidious. I would say that the only time he wanted to kill is when he said "Join me or die". IE, kick, breach of guard, neutral playing field, yadda-yadda-yadda, I believe you've already heard this and/or had this conversation. Obviously, this version of Ahsoka is still inferior to Rebels Ahsoka which is her prime and so that's why I feel the gap is very small between the two. Mauls strikes are naturally stronger and therefore it’s easier for him to disarm someone with a single hand on each blade. Thanks to The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels, plenty of gaps in Maul's history have been covered.We know how he returned from the "dead," and how he ultimately fell to … Ashoka could catch him only when his forces defences were down due to explicitly wanting to die. Maul wasn't even smart enough to make a killing blow when he was fighting her on a beam of metal with limited mobility in spite of having his double blade saberstaff. At this point I couldn’t care less about what your interpretation is, and I’m sure you don’t care about mine. Also Maul ran away therefore implying that he was no longer interested in her, and only offered a second time after she came and continued the duel. Please don’t come at me and I know you really disagree with this, but I just think that Maul “lost” because A. @emmafrostxmen: It doesn't like we will be able to reach common ground, so we'll just have to agree to disagree and shake hands, how about that? He trained under Sidiou… @maul_eternal: I'm a hard core Ahsoka fan and I'm only going as far as to say she beat Maul. "Twin Suns" is the twentieth episode of the animated television series Star Wars Rebels' third season. Although Rebels Ahsoka would obviously defeat Maul. She guided his saber to the beam, she didn’t take it. Part of the fight being off screen is irrelevant because niether took any damage which means niether could deal damage in over a minute of fighting, @zr2011: I’m not mad. The fight was flawless which is all I really wanted. I think it's very obvious Maul wasn't even close to bloodlusted against Ahsoka and we've seen him fight much better before I.E his fight against Sidious. @rgr: I’m literally the person that said that like yesterday and then everyone said his tweets are fact, I don’t mind Rebels being prime Maul (and by feats he is. Location: Where Rey and Kylo Ren fought in TROS, *FIGHTERS ARE AT THEIR PRIME FIGHTING CONDITION. I'd say this is pretty close. Hell Maul is literally my favorite Character of the Clone Wars and even I know when to call a spade a spade. In canon Vader was never weakened by cybernetics so Vader > Anakin. I don’t think I could easily, with no doubt in my mind, pick who would win. This is a comment on the CW fight, not on this thread specifically. I’m not desperate for Maul. With all factors into consideration Mauk IS a better lightsaber duelist but not because he is more skilled but because his style is better than Ahsoka's and his morals are looser. I know some force users don't need practice, like Yoda, but, for anyone not on that incredibly high tier of force use, not having practice means you get rusty, at least in saber combat. Ahsoka killed Savage and Maul killed Kanan. 1 Enemies 1.1 Sheev Palpatine 1.2 Obi-Wan Kenobi 1.3 Hondo Ohnaka 1.4 Ahsoka Tano 1.5 Ezra Bridger 1.6 Kanan Jarrus 1.7 The Inquisitors Main article: Sheev Palpatine Palpatine aka Darth Sidious kidnapped Maul from his mother when he was young to raise and train him to be his apprentice. Vader is > Anakin and no quote in canon says otherwise. If he knew about Order 66 he would have used it when. I don’t think rebels Ahsoka is above TCW Maul by a significant degree, but at this point nobody can say that TCW Maul “stomps” or anything like that. It's pretty similar to Ventress disarming Obi-Wan in TCW movie but then being outmaneuvered and forced to flee, only Ahsoka couldn't recover her lightsabers because of the environment. Spoilers ahead for Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels.. After the latest episode of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, I called the lightsaber duel between Darth Maul and Ahsoka … Martin’s claim is that he’s less skilled, and rusty. This was prime Maul, all this fight proves is that Rebels Ahsoka would have won the fight with Rebels Maul eventually and that Rebels Ahsoka is above TCW Maul on account of her teenage self giving him the duel of his life, Rage amp is not normal Maul....his brother isn’t going to die in every fight, @greysentinel365: Ahsoka was also “not going for the kill” though. Again, we've not actually seen TCW Ahsoka vs TCW Maul, and to be honest all that kind of proves is that Season 2 rebels Ahsoka isn't that much stronger than 17 year old Ahsoka, because growth isn't linear. The poll was at 65% in favor of maul before the episode, it increased to 69%. Maul was obviously a better duelist disarming Ashoka three times throughout the fight, which by the end of she was deprived of both her lightsabers. @yousufkhan1212: Which in by itself is a great achievement for Filoni, lol. Since the Clone Wars revival was announced in 2018, fans have been eagerly waiting for its release on Disney+, especially after it was unceremoniously canceled in 2014 without a proper … Suited Vader isn't better than Anakin in every aspect though. @king-ragnar: Maul held his own against a Filoni amped Ahsoka :)). Ahsoka TCW Ahsoka contends with Prime Maul so Rebels Ahsoka will beat him through scaling. She lasted at least as long as ANH kenobi. Maul Was trying to escape and Ahsoka was just trying to capture him. She is holding on with her arms. @maul_eternal: He also never took advantage or pressed the attack when he had her disarmed or was pressing her back, and even offered her a final chance to join him. This is deadass hilarious to me lol. Can you find a quote that says Rebels Maul is significantly weaker than his TCW self? Why? This tells me that he is more skilled as a duelist, 3. It was the Battlefield he gave himself the advantage over and he was just merely going in for the kill. Whether it was a chopper cameo in Rogue One or the upcoming rumored links between the show and The Mandalorian. maul vs ahsoka 6601 GIFs. After it ends, Ahsoka is attacked by clone troopers because of Order 66 — which led to the Great Jedi Purge. @ezra_: you are ignoring that he only lost his saber because of the ledge. I agree with this. She’s also in Star Wars Rebels and appears as one of the Jedi voices that encourage Rey to give Palpatine a good smack in The Rise of Skywalker. Season 7, Episode 10. Their fight was never concluded and it’s the most bullishit lowballing attempt for Ahsoka. 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