Mauls strikes are naturally stronger and therefore it’s easier for him to disarm someone with a single hand on each blade. He's inferior in speed and mobility at the very least. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 2.1 Disney Abilities 2.2 Legends/EU Abilities 3 Disney Canon Respect Threads 4 Legends/EU Canon Respect Threads 5 Gallery 6 Others 7 References Darth Vader is a Dark Lord of the Sith and the apprentice of Emperor Palpatine, ruler of the Galactic Empire. You make some good points. Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak and the apprentice of Darth Sidious, the Dark Lord of the Sith. On comicvine if a duelist is disarmed and then beats the shit out of the opponent that disarmed them... they still lost. @yousufkhan1212: Which in by itself is a great achievement for Filoni, lol. Maul has always been portrayed as a peer to Kenobi who is below Vader. Also there is absolutely no indication Maul is rusty either aside from the statement. Nothing has really changed. Star Wars: The Clone Wars marketing continues to hype up the one-on-one duel between Ahsoka and Darth Maul, but even before the show makes its return, we already know who emerges as the winner in the fight. @maul_eternal: He also never took advantage or pressed the attack when he had her disarmed or was pressing her back, and even offered her a final chance to join him. Maul also didn’t want to fight because he a. was petrified of what was coming and wanted to escape and b. @supremesoup: If he knew about Order 66 he wouldn't have been expecting "Kenobi" and Anakin Skywalker to arrive instead of Ahsoka. Ahsoka breached Mauls Guard twice in the fight and came out on top. Maul really easily disarms Ahsoka, im not gonna lie. 1 Enemies 1.1 Sheev Palpatine 1.2 Obi-Wan Kenobi 1.3 Hondo Ohnaka 1.4 Ahsoka Tano 1.5 Ezra Bridger 1.6 Kanan Jarrus 1.7 The Inquisitors Main article: Sheev Palpatine Palpatine aka Darth Sidious kidnapped Maul from his mother when he was young to raise and train him to be his apprentice. Also Maul doesn’t have a single feat close to not getting stomped by Vader, Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul > Rebels Maul > TCW Ahsoka. Also Maul ran away therefore implying that he was no longer interested in her, and only offered a second time after she came and continued the duel. Spoilers ahead for Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels.. After the latest episode of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, I called the lightsaber duel between Darth Maul and Ahsoka … @supremesoup: No you didn't you're just copping out because you didn't know any one can say order sixty six to activate Clone kill mode. @kgb725: in canon Vader only got stronger. If there was no ledge he still would have no lightsaber. He did disarm her at the beginning of the fight as well and had multiple opportunities to kill her on the beams. Obviously, this version of Ahsoka is still inferior to Rebels Ahsoka which is her prime and so that's why I feel the gap is very small between the two. Thought he and Ahsoka could work together. The series’ final arc featured Ahsoka Tano leading the Siege of Mandalore, a battle between the Darth Maul’s Mandalorian army and the Republic. Their fight was never concluded and it’s the most bullishit lowballing attempt for Ahsoka. In Maul’s case, he lost what prestige he had as a servant of Darth Sidious, as well as any chance for a peaceful life on Dathomir or elsewhere. What? That’s basically what I’m gathering rn. And a lot of misogynists have been copying him on it lmao. Based on the recent episode, Maul could edge it out if they're bloodlusted. If she didn't cut the ledge he would have still fallen to the ground. In the second exchange he disarmed her early in the fight and she was breathing heavy keeping in mind he wanted to partner with her, not kill her. Maul is a better lightsaber duelist? Given that, my scaling works like this, as long as Maul and Ahsoka are not distracted and in the right mindset (no blood-lust): Rebels Ahsoka=CW S5 Maul>/= Rebels Maul>/=TCW Ahsoka, What do u think? Rebels Maul only fought her for a few seconds which isn’t at all enough to judge their parity. Ezra, Kanan, and Ahsoka arrive at Malachor, a seemingly dead world and home to an ancient Sith Temple, but they are not alone. This was a prolonged duel and I guarantee you you’ll never find a quote that says Maul was holding back or Ahsoka for that matter. Darth Sidious, aka Emperor Palpatine, was the devious mind behind much of the chaos that consumed the Star Wars galaxy between The Phantom Menace and Rise of Skywalker.He engineered the final stages of a centuries-long Sith plan that saw the Republic crushed and the effective extinction of … He was a victim of his environment (Ahsoka was beat, but won cause she cut a beam), We know we have different opinions. @maul_eternal: I'm a hard core Ahsoka fan and I'm only going as far as to say she beat Maul. It’s not like they are perfectly matched. That is not to say they perfectly stalemate eachother, but that each can get wins against the other in a relatively even ratio. Rebels Ahsoka is smarter than her younger self (as stated by Filoni) who was able to outsmart and defeat Maul. Ahsoka hasn’t had a duel in canon from TCW until her fight with the inquisitors, and any other idea would just be your headcanon, Maul doesn’t have a single feat close to Vader. After it ends, Ahsoka is attacked by clone troopers because of Order 66 — which led to the Great Jedi Purge. Or indicates that Maul's decline was strictly in Rebels S3 while he was still prime in S2. @ezra_: I see your points about Maul's character. This is despite Ahsoka also being matched by Rebels Maul in a fight longer than her duel with Vader. People get disarmed or staggered all the time but still have the opportunity to get their blade back or turn it into a h2h situation. Maul being out of practise isn't something to trivialise. Also the fight wasn’t over once disarmed. With the most choreography? Rebels Ahsoka would beat him through scaling, anyone who says otherwise is just a desperate for Maul at this point, Rebels Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul >|= Rebels Maul >|= TCW Ahsoka, @supremesoup: your point about rag dolling is wrong. Ashoka could catch him only when his forces defences were down due to explicitly wanting to die. Light side powered, fights smarter not harder. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. He knew there was going to be some galaxy altering event Sidious was orchestrating ever since he was his apprentice & took precautions in order to prepare for it, setting up the bait for Anikan, telling the crime syndicates to disappear, and planning a way for him to thrive in the new world order. The Duel. This is deadass hilarious to me lol. I agree with this. Maul learned from his mistakes and was never trying to take on either faction head on just bait some specific people into going after him. Ahsoka’s blades have only 1 hand on each blade. Maul seemed somewhat unhinged in the latest episode as well but he's always been a bit crazy so it shouldn't be a factor. Maul obliterates if TCW and they’re all out. The fact that season 7 Ahsoka contends with Maul actually suggests that she's not far off her Rebels version. I don’t know why people are intentionally overlooking this fact. She held her own remarkably well, and her feat as of Rebels in matching Vader is beyond anything TCW Maul did. Can you find a quote that says Rebels Maul is significantly weaker than his TCW self? Maul Was trying to escape and Ahsoka was just trying to capture him. It’s beyond me why people think that the skill with the saber is the only element to fights in Star Wars. Maul was stated to be “rusty”, not to be completely shot compared to his old self. I'd say this is pretty close. Strength:Maul- easily overpowered TCW ahsoka in saberlocks, and pressed her in Rebels, Endurance:Maul, outlasted TCW Ahsoka and has a very high pain tolerance, Saber skill:Maul narrowly, superior to TCW Ahsoka, equals with TCW kenobi, Force power: Maul has shown better force feats and skill, H2H: Ahsoka has more feats, Maul has better statements. Part of the fight being off screen is irrelevant because niether took any damage which means niether could deal damage in over a minute of fighting, @zr2011: I’m not mad. Rebels Ahsoka is more skilled and powerful than season 7 Ahsoka. TCW Ahsoka while only trying to explicitly “capture Maul” is now being lowballed because people don’t want to accept Rebels Ahsoka being above him. Ahsoka could have performed the Maul feat, and she performed a more impressive feat (lasting a minute against Vader). As shown above, he made it clear that they aren't, so people shouldn't put that much stock in what he says. @emmafrostxmen: It doesn't like we will be able to reach common ground, so we'll just have to agree to disagree and shake hands, how about that? He disarmed her again twice on the beam and she was only able to win by redirecting his momentum and pushing him off balance. And it wasn't an easy feat, it was the hardest fight of her life and best feat before fighting Vader. @ezra_: I just rewatched the fight. Season 2, Episode 1 & 2. You do realise that TCW Maul has 2 accolades indicating that he's in Vader's ballpark, right? That doesn’t translate to power loss. @king-ragnar: Maul held his own against a Filoni amped Ahsoka :)). "Twin Suns" is the twentieth episode of the animated television series Star Wars Rebels' third season. While both shows have Darth Maul, Star Wars Rebels benefits from other classic villains. In fact quite a bit of the on screen fight is shown to us, and the fight itself is inconclusive. Maul was born to Mother Talzin and raised as a Nightbrother on Dathomir, before being taken away by Sith Lord Darth Sidious as an apprentice. It makes more sense then all of a sudden a half hearted Maul can disarm her multiple times where when he was more serious he couldn't and got kicked out a window. Since they were force equals it would have gone to H2H and she would have defeated Maul with her superior agility and skill. You are a very respectable debater which is rare to find in the Star Wars section of vine. Consistently he mentions how hand to hand combat plays a part in the fights as well. And a series of huge slashes and quick manoeuvers?… Rebels Ahsoka stomped 2 (while not even trying) knight level inquisitors, and she contended with Vader. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Ahsoka contending with Vader is good, but TCW Maul has a quote saying he's kind of in the Vader realm, and SW magazine says that he and Vader are well matched in fighting skills and that a fight between them would be a close call. @the_buddha_: @ezra_: @emmafrostxmen: Martin's tweets are not binding anyways, he has repeatedly said so himself. Obviously in a legitimate fight, Maul's force abilities would definitely play a role in his fight against Grievous even if he rarely gets to use them. (All Maul knew was the new apprentice and identity of Sidious), If he knew about Order 66 he could have just said "Execute Order 66" and the Clones would have killed Ahsoka. The quote is still canon. Star Wars Rebels: Full duel between Ahsoka and Darth Vader and its conclusion. @zr2011: I personally think the disarming was a result of her stamina being drained and her stats suffering as a result. He loses due to dumb plot or environmental reasons. The poll was at 65% in favor of maul before the episode, it increased to 69%. Ahsoka Tano ( peak fighting condition) Motivation: Both fighters are blood-lusted and serious; neither underestimate their opponent. Although Rebels Ahsoka would obviously defeat Maul. @zr2011: Yeah I don't think we can limit factors in SW debates to just Lightsaber ability and force ability. He can't seem to catch a break no matter how hard he tries to make things work in his favor, which is a fact he's becoming painfully … but I would make TCW Ahsoka equal to Rebels Maul. Rolling his shoulders back, Maul declared, "The Inquisitors are my enemies. Darth Vader is a fictional character in the Star Wars franchise. I am mostly happy with the scaling you provided of: "Rebels Ahsoka >|= TCW Maul >|= Rebels Maul >|= TCW Ahsoka.". Not to mention he wanted to train her. She grappled him, static environment didn't do that. He was specifically tasked with eliminating or capturing Ahsoka Tano, as well as her allies, and had several encounters with the rebels before he was finally slain by Maul on Malachor. Maul was obviously a better duelist disarming Ashoka three times throughout the fight, which by the end of she was deprived of both her lightsabers. Maul offered to work together and then when they started fighting after she declined there is nothing to imply or especially prove he was holding back in hopes she would join him. You're not even thinking at it from a logical perspective, so let's recap. Anything can happen and it would still fly. Location: Where Rey and Kylo Ren fought in TROS, *FIGHTERS ARE AT THEIR PRIME FIGHTING CONDITION. Season 7 Ahsoka contending with a fighter superior to Anakin is a much better feat than her TCW self contending with Maul. Ahsoka lasted a long time against a superior duelist with no emotional circumstance therefore allowing Ahsoka to scale above Obi slightly who is relatively on the level of Maul. All Inquisitors and their masters are my enemies." This tells me she has inferior stats, 4. Maul knew about Anakin as the potential new apprentice not about Order 66 as all the Maul fanboys are using as an excuse. @the_buddha_: @maul_eternal: @firelordiroh: I knew this would happen. Lost to Ahsoka cause she cut a beam, lost to Kenobi cause he surprise attacked. Its clear I'm not convincing you with anything regarding how you think their fight occurred so I'd rather just leave that alone. I would also Argue Ahsoka’s h2h compensates for the disparity in lightsaber Combat. Maul disarmed her 3 times but she outsmarted him numerous times as well. Despite this, she is disarmed constantly (4 times if I'm correct) and Maul gets the better of her more often than she lands blows on him. Maul was obviously a better duelist disarming Ashoka three times throughout the fight, which by the end of she was deprived of both her lightsabers. 9. The two had previously teamed up to try and find Darth Maul in the animated series. If Maul knew about Order 66 he would have know about the attack on Coruscant but he didn't. As soon as Maul begins to tell his own history, Ezra looks intrigued and sympathetic. It’s not stated that the same thing that happens to normal people doesn’t happen to Jedi so logically this applies to Ahsoka as well. I think you are right, that she fought smarter, but I think it wouldn't be fair to ignore the fact that Maul's voice is quivering and he's scared the whole episode. At this point I couldn’t care less about what your interpretation is, and I’m sure you don’t care about mine. Sort: ... # season 2 # star wars # episode 10 # rebels # ahsoka ... # star wars # darth maul # star wars # awesome # spinning # lego # light saber If I ignore statements from Matt Martin, I would say Maul as of his fight with Sidious is his prime. So no Maul did...not...know...about...Order 66. Ahsoka was able to hold a prolonged battle against Darth Maul in Star Wars: The Clone Wars season 7 and, by the time of Star Wars Rebels, she could defeat two Imperial Inquisitors with ease. Suited Vader isn't better than Anakin in every aspect though. She is holding on with her arms. I don't think Maul ever intended to kill Ahsoka in their fight and in their final engagement when he was trying to escape, his priority is not the duel but to get away. @lord_tenebrous isn't trying to say that sabers is the only thing that matters in a fight. Ahsoka tagged Maul with like 4 kicks and he tagged her about the same amount of times. Motivation: Both fighters are blood-lusted and serious; neither underestimate their opponent. Instead, he either tried to escape or offer a partnership. Though he supposedly died on Naboo at the hands of Obi-Wan Kenobi, he resurfaced years later, having survived through his sheer hatred. Ahsoka was on a marathon duel while Maul was pretty fresh. The character is a primary antagonist in the original trilogy and a primary protagonist in the prequel trilogy. Fighting and tagging sidious>sneak attacking Vader. “fought more inquisitors than her?” That is due to the plot and who was where. I don’t feel like responding in detail because we went in circles for quite a while. She loses her sabers constantly. I think it's very obvious Maul wasn't even close to bloodlusted against Ahsoka and we've seen him fight much better before I.E his fight against Sidious. That was also Ahsoka’s first canon lightsaber duel since TCW Maul duel so they are both technically rusty in combat (despite it being stated that Ahsoka improved). Maul lands a strike on Ahsoka that sends her nearly over the beam. @ezra_: you’re forgetting he only lost his saber cause he fell off the ledge. @maul_eternal: Ahsoka was disarmed three times and won only due to the environment. Ahsoka's life is in Maul's hands multiple times throughout the fight. Adult Ahoksa is weaker than Old Man Maul, who as per word of god is inferior to his TCW self, yet we have a weaker Ahsoka contending and getting the upper hand over a stronger Maul. That seems like the case for the older generation force users from Clone Wars (Like Obi-Wan) with the exception of Vader, Maul was too stupid to cut the bar they were on and beat her for good, he also got caught like an idiot. Both characters were undeniably portrayed as near equals, and Rebels Ahsoka is now clearly above TCW Maul, Before the fight Maul: “the padawan needs one last lesson”. Ahsoka Tano made her debut in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film, and later reappeared in the animated series of the same name. She was disarmed three times and won cause of a beam that she could cut. I agree with the Analysis but disagree with Maul not wanting to kill Ahsoka. And how can she be rusty if she has improved from TCW? "'Scuse me for a moment." Is this before Maul was too stupid to kill her and ran like a coward out of the throne room, and too dumb to end her by cutting the bar they were fighting on? I still stand by that all out he is superior in peak condition but not by much. Keep in mind that Filoni, who has a hard on for Ahsoka, wrote that fight and Maul didn't get curbostomped. The way I see it personally is both have equal skills, Maul has fighting style advantage so it's why he could disarm her later in the fight and not at the start. Rebels Ahsoka stomping 2 inquisitors is good, but based on what was she "not trying" eh? Ahsoka — a character created for “Clone Wars” — was the apprentice of Anakin Skywalker before he became Darth Vader. I don’t think I could easily, with no doubt in my mind, pick who would win. Maul is the biggest jobber in Star Wars now. @emmafrostxmen: Prove Rebels Maul is weaker than TCW Maul. @yousufkhan1212: bro she was toying with them, she one shot the fifth brother with a simple kick, and she literally pretended to surrender. Rebels Ahsoka being vastly better than TCW Ahsoka is based on comparisons between her adult self and SEASON 5 self when you look at the date of these quotes. These statements are LFL sources and they've not been retconned by a more recent depiction and comparison. Instead of attacking, Maul tries to escape on his ship. The two are functionally equal in skill. Yes but not by much if at all, Ahsoka was genuinely stalemating him until she got tired. @zr2011: Are you forgetting that he also had his lightsaber disarmed by an unarmed Ahsoka? I saw this was a rage amped Maul and I would agree. Him disarming her 4 times means nothing when he couldn't kill her in those four tries, Ahsoka managing to last even 1 second with out a lightsaber and him trying and failing to kill an unarmed Ahsoka is what matters. Force defenses are passive and I’d lick for you to find me a statement that says when exactly they “go down”. Because I just finished watching the recent episode, TCW Maul is no longer as far above Rebels Ahsoka as I put him before the episode aired. Maul always holds his blades with 2 hands due to the nature of the saber staff. Nothing really changes. Darth Maul ( peak fighting condition) 2. TCW Ahsoka was only capable of stalemating Grievous....Vader >>>>>>>> Grievous, Rebels Ahsoka >>>>> TCW Ahsoka by all feats and statements, If TCW Ahsoka contends with TCW Maul Rebels Ahsoka scales right past him. Ahsoka loses here. Star Wars creator George Lucas has collectively referred to the first six episodic films of the franchise as "the tragedy of Darth Vader".. "So you only did what you did because you wanted a shot at the Inquisitors," guessed Kanan. I mean, even when they had their short fight in Rebels, neither of them had any advantage. Maul was the only one willing to kill her in this situation. It is the fifty-seventh episode of the series overall. Lightsabers: A Guide to Weapons of the Force and AEYTK says that Vader's suit slowed him down and limited his movements. If he knew about Order 66 he would have used it when. > Maul “I guess the padawan needs to learn 1 last weapon”, > Maul gets tagged like 4 times and is held off by Ahsoka using a single shoto blade, @mossbeard: Clone Wars Maul tagged Sidious, who was serious after killing Savage. On a side note, I think when Maul fights with blood-lust and rage, he's a force to be reckoned with, one that can put intense pressure on most fighters he faces. This just minimizes Ahsoka's growth. Their final interaction is brief yet heartwarming, contrasting the nature of their final encounter many years later. It's pretty similar to Ventress disarming Obi-Wan in TCW movie but then being outmaneuvered and forced to flee, only Ahsoka couldn't recover her lightsabers because of the environment. The best GIFs are on GIPHY. In canon Vader was never weakened by cybernetics so Vader > Anakin. 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